Jessica Jones – spoilers

@sandalaris:

Have you seen Jessica Jones? There’s a semi-shippable incest ship in it. They’re the MC’s neighbors, they fight like a couple. Jessica is surprised to find out they’re twins. The woman gets upset when she thinks Jessica is hitting on her brother.

@lorastyrels:

The new Netflix series Jessica Jones dropped yesterday and oh my god, The Twins. Robyn and Ruben. You NEED to watch it, I don’t want to spoil too much for you but it is canon and I do need to tell you the brother dies but it is SO GOOD and so canon you will fall in love with it, everything about them is just so good.

Ooh, great!

Spoilers/Blood Roots

@sandalaris
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Hmmm, the one I read was about a girl going to her grandmother’s plantation home. It’s major spoilers, but the brothers turn out to be immortals who are also her her father and grandfather and great grandfather etc. The ritual to keep them alive involves a three way relationship with the women of the house which eventually leads to a baby being born and when she grows up, she develops a relationship with the brothers, etc.

WHoa. That’s crazy!

Yeah I wouldn’t call that a brother/sister relationship but I guess if they’re all the same age at one point and there’s a supernatural aspect involved then it’s a little blurry.

That sounds like the one by Cusick. Perhaps the Anon read the other one? 

Have you seen Devour? It’s a b-rated horror movie about a weird computer game. There’s canon incest in it. It’s one of those after the movie is over it dawns on you that “hey, they slept together, and she turned out to be his mother?” It sort of 1/2

dawns on you during the movie, but it’s kind of all thrown in during the big reveal of everything so you’re still putting the pieces together that what you thought was going on is no actually going on. Lol, trying not to spoil it too bad.

I’ve never heard of it! Seeing Jensen Ackles in it is really going to amuse me. 

Thank you for sharing!

@sandalaris

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“Hi! Do you happen to know what kind of incest is in Blood Roots? After…”

I though I responded to this. Not the anon, but I read the book. It’s not siblings. I mean, there is a set of brothers, and their relationship is borderline, but the full on incest is not between siblings.

Uh-oh. Well this is confusing. 

Is it possible that there are two different books, because in my initial search I found two books both called Blood Roots. This is the second. 

That doesn’t seem likely, though. 

Who is the full-on incest between? 

sandalaris
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“While shippers sometimes think to themselves, “I would ship them if…”

Random, but I once wrote an AU fic about a ship of mine where I made them half-siblings, they were just friends in the show. So I completely relate to this.

Incest AU’s of non-related ships are pretty rare but I’ve seen them. A couple of actual fics and then a lot of “what if” headcanon posts. And I’m only thinking about ones that I encountered randomly. One time I was hugely into this one OTP (they weren’t related at all or anything like that, just a normal ship) and I was reading fic and there was a fic where they were twins (with incest) and I pretty much died. I hope every incest shipper can experience that. 

I’m so glad you wrote one for one of your ships. 

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sandalaris
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“Have you read the Mortal Instruments books/seen City of Bones?…”

Ah, I’ve only seen the movie, and they leave it where they most likely are related. They never go back and say they aren’t, just have Jace say he’s decided be believe they aren’t and Clary smiling at him before they literally ride off into the sunset

Oh I see!

Since there’s not going to be a movie sequel made, I’d say we headcanon them as bro/sis in the movie verse! If that’s the way things are left off, why not?

Have you read the Mortal Instruments books/seen City of Bones? Although revealed later to technicallyyy not be incest, there’s a very incest heavy tone in the main romance, I quite liked it.

sandalaris:

Have you seen Mortal Instrument? There’s a canon (possible) bro/sis couple. There’s major evidence that they are siblings, and even the girl’s dad claims they are. They go back and forth between believing him and saying he’s lying. Doesn’t stop 

them making out and declaring their love for each other. 

So, I still haven’t seen the movie, but I have read the first three books in The Mortal Instruments trilogy. I didn’t read them for the not-really-incest plot but I was aware of the arc of the relationship when I went in. 

The author, Cassandra Clare, wrote an extensive Ron/Ginny (Harry Potter) incest fanfic with the same title, so I think she has some kind of fascination with incest. With Clary and Jace, she kind of took a step back but you can still see the interest in incest there with the whole “uh-oh are we siblings?” thing. 

I do like that even when they still thought they were siblings they got back together. 

It has been a long time since I’ve read them, so I can’t remember whether any smidgen of possibility exists that they really are related by blood. I would certainly favor some kind of canon-compliant theory that they were. 

Personally, I’m not a huge fan of the “strangers attraction   oh no we’re related 

 oh actually we’re not” thing. It’s a perfectly legitimate way to manufacture conflict and it’s not an overused trope but just personally it annoys me a little. And what interests me about bro/sis incest shipping just doesn’t apply if I don’t consider it to actually be incest. (And generally speaking my interest is less if they weren’t raised together from birth anyway.) I guess maybe I just resent that the writer didn’t just go for it if they were willing to play with it a little. On top of that, again, just personally, I didn’t really like Clary or Jace, and I liked them even less together. (Part of that might be the bitter Clary/Simon shipper in me).

Of course, given what we can suppose is Cassandra Clare’s interest in incest, I do have to wonder if it is supposed to appeal to the incest shipper in me the way it must have appealed to her as she wrote it. 

In any case, I really appreciate the recommendations and I’m sure a lot of my followers will too. 

sandalaris
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“Spoiler alert: He moves back in. ”

I never did ship these two until you started showing all these moments. They really did toe the line. It was all for comedy, but it’s still there and that’s what counts.

Their final big episode, the one that this gifset is from, made me ship them so much more than I ever did before. Even though I was watching the show for them, it was mostly just to see the ridiculous scenes about their relationship and be amused by them, but then I actually began to ship it for real. 

Like you said, you have to acknowledge that it’s all done for the laughs, but at the same time, canon is canon, it’s all there. It’s not just Christine taking her bra off under her shirt while he’s sitting right next to her, and casual acquaintances thinking he’s her boyfriend, and Matthew dating both her best friend and a woman who acts and dresses just like her – it’s so much more than that. 

Book!Bellamy/Octavia

sandalaris very kindly did a write-up on Bellamy and Octavia from The 100 novels by Kass Morgan that the TV series is based on. The report on book 1 is here, and the rest of the trilogy is below:

The second book wasn’t overly Bellamy/Octavia, but that has more to do with Octavia getting kidnapped at the very end of the first book so she’s missing for most of the second, and Bellamy starting a relationship with Clarke. Bellamy’s relationship with Clarke only seems to highlight Octavia’s place in Bellamy’s life though. Clarke gets bitten by a snake while they are looking for Octavia and Bellamy carries her back to camp then sticks by her side as she gets better. He’s worried, but it’s nothing like what he feels when he thinks of his sister. He freaks out when he thinks of her, getting restless and angry, and at one point desperate to the point of tears. With Clarke he frowns in worry and sits by her side. He even talks about leaving Clarke behind, but it had rained and he knows the trail they were following is gone.

Twice he talks about how Octavia and Clarke are all that’s keeping him around. This could have been a moment to establish the differences in how he feels about his sister compared to his girlfriend, but instead it just serves to show us how much more Octavia means to him. He goes on about how she’s the only thing he cares about, and then tacks on “somehow Clarke has added herself to that list,” and at one point talks about how Octavia is his everything, but Clarke’s important too. There is a brief mention of leaving, although he dismisses it almost immediately because of the threat of the Earthborns trying to hurt the 100. It’s still noteworthy though because he’s sad about having to leave Clarke behind, which once more shows how much he puts Octavia above everything else.

They have a wonderful physical moment when they are reunited. Bellamy, whose been established as only outwardly showing charm or anger, runs to Octavia and grabs her up in hug and just holds her while he cries and laughs. It’s told from Clarke’s point of view and there’s a line where she doesn’t fully explain what she feels watching them. It’s not made completely clear, but she’s both happy and unsure. It’s never touched on again, but naturally I’ve decided that she’s picking up on a little something more there.

In the books, Octavia is 14, Bellamy 20, and because of this and how Bellamy didn’t recognize her as an adult until part way through the first book, I find Bellamy’s relationship with Clarke less of threat, and more of a “filler” romance. He loves Octavia, thinks she’s beautiful and has just started to see her as an equal. Add to that him threatening to hit Graham for playfully flirting with her and I have no issue imagining this is before they get together.

The second book is sadly missing on a lot of moments between the Blake siblings, but there are a few worth mentioning.

First is that at the end of the 2nd book, Bellamy and Wells realize they are half-brothers. It doesn’t really do much except to end their fighting (and let Clarke make comments on how apparently she fell for brothers), it also serves as a back drop to see the differences in how Bellamy treats/thinks about Octavia vs Wells. Since he grew up with Octavia, it’s understandable he’s closer to her than Wells, but the two boys take to being brothers pretty quickly. Becoming protective of each other and noting their similarities. With Octavia he searches her out whenever he comes back to camp from hunting, feels pride and praises her (in his head) whenever she takes over taking car of the small children and then has a debate with himself on if he can take her from camp.
The last two are tied into the main plot of the 3rd book. The Colony collapsed and the survivors have come down to Earth. Since there wasn’t enough dropships on the Colony, only roughly four hundred out of several thousands got off the ship. Octavia takes care of the young orphans. But the Vice Chancellor came down and revealed the Chancellor (Well’s, and now known to be Bellamy’s, father) didn’t make it. Bellamy is forced to hide in the woods as the rest of the 100 gather the survivors (each dropship held 300 people, there were 6 dropships, and total of 400-500 people to survive the dropships crashing into the Earth). He debates whether he can just leave, but he doesn’t want to take Octavia away from what makes her happy and refuses to leave without here. Again, he’s sad to be leaving Clarke and now Wells behind, but he’s willing to do it. But he’s not willing to leave Octavia behind. This never changes.

Eventually he’s caught and shot in the shoulder in the process. The VC declares him a prisoner and puts him under guard while Clarke treats him. Well’s best friend Glass, overhears that the VC has already decided that he’s going to execute Bellamy and just hold a trial for show and warns Wells. He and Clarke hatch a plan and break Bellamy out. They all go to the nice Earthborns’ camp, who Wells is dating the daughter of the leader of. There’s discussion of staying there. Bellamy doesn’t say anything, but he’s already decided he can’t. He refuses to live there without Octavia and he can’t take her away from the orphans, something she loves doing. Eventually the VC attacks and Bellamy surrenders when he threatens Octavia. They also recapture Wells and Clarke, but by then Bellamy has already decided to surrender.He’s set to executed at dawn.

The next morning, Bellamy is set against a tree. They blindfolded him but he demands to be able to see and searches out Octavia first thing. She’s struggling to get to him and crying hysterically. He gets angry when he sees how roughly the guards are holding her back. But Graham (who is no longer an evil bastard in my mind) takes her himself and gentle turns her away. Bellamy is grateful that she he won’t let her watch, not wanting her to see him like this. He spends quite a bit of time thinking about how he doesn’t want his sister to remember him like this, how it will haunt her and how he wants her to only have good memories of him. He doesn’t have the same worry with Clarke when he catches her looking at him. And he looks for Octavia first, so that makes me happy.

Before they can kill him, the violent Earthborns attack. The book fizzles after that. The battle happens, everyone fights, the Colonists win, they have funerals for those they lost (including Sascha, Well’s girlfriend from the peaceful Earthborns) and Wells takes back his position as leader, with an advice counsel to help that Bellamy becomes part of. The VC apparently has a change of heart/sees that the 100 know what they are talking about and the power hungry, child murderer that the Vice Chancellor has been since book one, is suddenly replaced with a humble man after one little battle. Bellamy worries about Octavia during the battle, but beyond that, the book ends roughly a day after the battle.

Overall, the first book was my favorite for Bellamy/Octavia. The second and third, while having lots of nice indirect moments, didn’t have a whole lot in the way of direct ones. I do love that both are still alive and their relationship is strong. And with the age gap and the way that his little sister is still the most important person ever, makes me think of what their future can be like.

As cute as they are on the show, it sounds like they are even cuter in the books! I think Octavia is 16 on the show, but given how old Bellamy is when Octavia is born, I think the age difference is the same.

I really appreciate you writing all of that out. It’s very help to know what happens in the books! I would love to read them someday. 

sandalaris
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“Pevencest tho *.*”

I’m convinced it’s canon. It’s been a while since I read the books, but I remember realizing they were the only humans there in the Lion, the Witch etc and at the end children were mentioned…I think. So yes, I’m convinced they are canon.

If you take the first movie all by itself then the four of them get stranded for over a decade in a world where they are seemingly the only humans. That sounds like unstated canon to me. 

The book mentions men living in other lands. Susan had suitors. But in a way it’s almost better because SHE TURNS THEM ALL DOWN. I guess she was feeling pretty satisfied already. *nudges with elbow*