Final Fantasy incest ships!

We get aboard the incest armada as early as Final Fantasy II! Gordon and Scott are both princes, and Scott dies early in the game, before he can even profess his love to a princess. Gordon feels devastated and weak without his brother, thinking he isn’t fit to be a leader in his stead.

   In Final Fantasy IV we get the twins Palom and Porom, who are very close despite their occasional bickering and are shown in the sequel to be psychically connected, as Porom is able to sense something terribly wrong with her brother several hundreds of miles away. They’re like yin and yang, complementing each other with black and white magic, sacrifice themselves together (they get better. yeah, I have no idea) and are shown to care for one another deeply.
   Another pair in this game is (spoilers!) Cecil and Theodor, aka Golbez. They were separated through Zemus when they were really young, but after Theodor breaks free from the creature’s control he is shown to immediately care for his younger brother, and feels regret for what he was forced to do. Cecil is willing to forgive Theodor in a heartbeat despite everything he’s done and still considers him family. In the sequel, Theodor does not hesitate in an attempt to sacrifice himself for Cecil’s sake, but Cecil won’t let him.
  Oh, and the sequel introduces a couple of kids, so badass family incest is in order.

  In Final Fantasy V there’s (spoilers, again) the sisters Faris and Lenna, who are again separated when young and later meet. Faris mellows her tough pirate front to admit she cares for Lenna, and Lenna is also very happy and glad to meet Faris even as this is only the first time they see each other.
   Galuf and Krile are grandfather and granddaughter, and despite the huge age gap they can be cute; can I say (spoilers) Galuf gives his soul to her when he dies?

   In Final Fantasy VI, the brothers Sabin and Edgar, oh so much. Edgar rigs a coin toss just so he can see his brother free and happy, and stays with the burden of carrying a nation. When they meet later they still understand each other more than anyone else, and play around as if nothing had happened, not to mention how Sabin feels after he learns that Edgar used a two-headed coin for his sake ten years back (and the coin is fashioned after the two princes, a custom gift made for their mother, which makes it even more touching.)

   In Final Fantasy VII there are family relations but no actual blood relation, but there’s the fact you can (and are encouraged to) inbreed chocobos to get better chocobos.

   Final Fantasy VIII doesn’t have much in the way of family anything, but there’s a pairing that I like a lot, Squall and his father Laguna. Another example in which they never saw each other until later on in their lives, and it isn’t immediately obvious to them that they are related, but Laguna still cares for and helps the cold and distant Squall however he can. Squall at first thinks the carefree Laguna is kinda too goofy, but seems to grow a soft spot for him.

   In Final Fantasy IX we jump straight into a spoilery, not-exactly-blood-related brothership, Kuja and Zidane, who were created by the same man in a same manner and for a same purpose, and thus have an ideological view on being related; Mikoto can be considered their sister in the same way. In spite of being protagonist and antagonist, they grow to be sympathetic towards each other much later on, with Kuja demonstrating self-hatred and Zidane trying to comfort him. It’s important to mention Zidane chose to stay behind in an unstable location so he could try to save his brother, and that Kuja then pushed Zidane out of harm’s way and told him to leave for his friends, before dying. Zidane takes a pretty long while to return to Alexandria so I believe it’s implied he mourns Kuja.

   In Final Fantasy X we got some cousins going on with Yuna and Rikku, who are at the very least teased at. There’s also the skirmishing, I-hate-you-but-I-actually-care-about-you thing happening with Tidus and his father Jecht.

   Final Fantasy XII has plenty of characters and incest ships, so bear with me awhile. Firstly we have Vaan and Reks, two brothers who determinedly care about each other but that we don’t see much of because Reks dies very early in-game, sadly. (Late arrival spoilers) Noah (Gabranth) and Basch are tragic brothers, and so are Larsa and Vayne, who are opposite in what they believe in but still respect each other. There are viera sisters not to mention SIX moogle siblings, with Montblanc as the eldest, and any combination could be made out of that. And I may be wrong, but Ondore may be Ashe’s uncle?

   Final Fantasy XIII has the sisters Serah and Lightning (Claire). Lightning is known for glaring daggers at Snow and considering him not worthy enough to be Serah’s boyfriend.

   In Final Fantasy Tactics, we get quite a batch of siblings, with Ramza and Alma being full siblings with each other and half-siblings to Dycedarg and Zalbaag. Delita and Tietra are also siblings, and so are Wiegraf and Milleuda, Marach and Rapha, and Isilud and Meliadoul. They’re all pretty shippable despite being all tragic pairings.

In Bravely Default (which is a Final Fantasy game despite not having the title), there’s a case of potential ideological incest, (spoilers) in which Alternis is raised to be part of the Lee family, and has a major crush on the Lee’s actual daughter Edea. This is slightly debatable but Braev and Mahzer have basically (MAJOR spoilers) considered Ringabel (aka Alternis) a son in one of the dimensions, so ideologically it’s pretty in there.

If any other FF fans want to address something I forgot, or for a game I know less about (such as the Crystal Chronicles sub-series) please feel free!

Flesh and Bone finale postmortem: Moira Walley-Beckett breaks down Claire’s final answer | EW.com

Brings up the incest storyline from the writers perspective (though I don’t agree)

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I kept wondering why there weren’t any interviews with TPTB when I was writing my commentary. I can’t believe I didn’t realize that it was because the show hadn’t finished airing yet.  And now here it is. I was dreading reading it but I knw I couldn’t avoid the truth.

Q: Shifting gears to Bryan, what made him finally realize after all this time that he needed to walk away from his dynamic with Claire?
A: Each of the siblings went on their journey of discovery and enlightenment over the course of the eight [episodes], and I think Bryan had a moment, had an epiphany, in her apartment. He heeds the siren call, their codependent call, and he shows up again, because they’re seemingly inextricably tangled, and he has a moment where he realizes that in order to save her he has to cut her free. … She’s already attempting to set herself free. She’s cut off her ponytail, which is his sort of weapon of choice for dominance, and she’s making these forays into her independence. And he makes his, and he chooses to leave. And then, in his moments with Romeo [Damon Herriman], he understands, I think for the first time, that he is the enemy, and that, truly, the purest, most concrete, definite way to leave and to absolve himself of his sins is — as his tattoo represents that he is faithless, he finds faith in that moment.

Could you tell me more about that tattoo?
It means “infidel” or “faithless,” and our backstory for Bryan is that during his tour in Afghanistan, he did some bad s— and thought some dark thoughts, and, after one of those moments, got that tattoo. And he sort of felt that he could represent it, when really all he wanted was the homing beacon of Claire, and what little he understood of family, to come back to. So he was at war with himself.

Was there ever a time when you were worried about handling such a dark and messed-up and delicate subject as Bryan and Claire’s relationship?
I was pretty fearless about how I wanted to explore it. I wasn’t intimidated, and I tried my very best, the writers and I, to handle that topic in a really thoughtful and relevant way. It’s complicated. And the thesis that I was really interested in was the vulnerabilities and the origin stories: Are monsters born or made? … After we’ve, I think, made Bryan the enemy all along and hated him and worried for Claire, we’re thrown into a bit of chaos in episode 6, because it’s possible to feel sympathy for the monster. We come into an understanding of this dysfunctional dynamic and how these children were shaped and pushed and formed into their choices.

Yeah, there’s a lot here I don’t like. I don’t think you can look at the whole piece, after having seen episodes 6/7/8, and call Bryan a monster for Claire. (For the roommate, maybe.) He’s sometimes a dark figure in Claire’s life but not the monster that Romeo makes him out to be in his black and white storybook way.

The stuff about the ponytail is very insightful and explains a lot that I didn’t get.

I think author-is-dead is going to be very important with Flesh and Bone, though I was afraid to read this and it really wasn’t so bad.

I particularly feel like there was a schism between what they were trying to show with Claire – pain is her superpower? Okey dokey. And her new self-confidence and self-assertion came off as some weird darkside kind of thing.

Flesh and Bone finale postmortem: Moira Walley-Beckett breaks down Claire’s final answer | EW.com

cute sibs!!

Hello! I know Reylo is all the rage right now (and I’m so sad that I’m not more into Star Wars to enjoy this huge new incest ship) but I just wanted to drop by and kind of gush to you, because I don’t know anyone else who might appreciate this. 

1) Not much of a ship (for me) but in One Punch Man (comedy anime about heroes and monsters), there’s Metal Bat and his lil sis, Zenko. We only hear about him talking about her all the time, and we don’t see her until recently in the manga. Metal Bat seems like your typical brawling punk (while being a top-tier hero) but he’s pissed about being called to a meeting… because he’s missing his sister’s piano concert! She calls later to tell him she’s won 3rd place and he gets teary eyed and tells her he’s very proud. She also calls him when she wants to go shopping and he wants to carry her shopping bags… but he’s busy with missions and he keeps apologizing to her (tbh they sound like a couple over the phone). She’s so spoiled by him, it’s the cutest. The defining CUTE factor… is that he stops himself from winning a fight because he doesn’t want to use violence in front of her. I had honestly hoped that she would be 2 years younger than him, but she’s very little maybe 10? I just adore this cute relationship, even if I can’t ship it. 

2) There’s a Kpop group called EXO and a member, Chanyeol has a BEAUTIFUL older sister, Yoora, who’s an announcer. They look so much alike it’s insane. I don’t really ship real-life people but they’re so sweet!!!

http://fy-exo.com/post/136445994552 This translated post just sums it all up. He adores his sister and they send the CUTEST messages between them: link. She’s also seems quite small while he’s over 6ft: link. For his birthday, Yoora wrote the sweetest post (she also calls him “my baby”): link I’m DEAD, people were saying he keeps a Polaroid pic of her in his wallet/passport thing? and he was showing it to his fellow member because of this: link. 

I feel so sorry for my followers who aren’t into Reylo or The Force Awakens, which is probably most of you. You poor souls. (I’m sorry! This is even worse than that time when my queue was 90% How I Live Now.)

Metal Bat and Zenko sound SOOOOOOOO cute. I love how supportive and protective he is. 

I wanted to find a pic but could only find fanart. Not a problem for me, though, because it’s lovely. 

Chanyeol and Yoora also seem totally adorable:

Awwwwww. All the details are just so cute!

Thanks for sharing!!!!!

El Lobo Negro

So I was watching this movie el lobo negro. And I wasn’t paying much attention.

But the girl I thought was the love interest turns out to be the guy’s sister. It’s a rip off of Zorro, and she basically takes the love interest’s place, drawing the unwanted attention from a villain.

She doesn’t have a love interest. And it’s arguable whether he does. I’d say he doesn’t. He’s not a chaste hero. He was in an affair before coming back from spain with a married woman(I think). And he flirts(in an old man disguise) with a barkeep immediately.

And it’s the barkeep that might be argued to be his love interest. It’s almost like someone broke down the usual love interest in a zorro movie, but all the traditional elements to the sister. But kept the paramour aspect to this new barkeep character. Because he barely knows her(and zorro’s love interest is usually a childhood friend), and he really doesn’t seem to care about her(the sister absorbs these qualities).

He only flirts with the barkeep in an old man disguise. He only goes to the bar for information. Only once as his real self, and he doesn’t flirt with her. And he doesn’t willingly reveal himself to her. And he tries to mislead her throughout the whole thing, even though the plot is basically over by that point. So he wasn’t even trying to get her or even sleep with her. Plus she seems older than him, and more like one of his affairs.

That aside, He also flirts with his sister while in disguise. And he seems so taken by her when he sees her after so long.

He’s asks her to marry him, to segue into revealing himself to her. Despite his not having any tactical advantage and not being usual for the hidden identity thing especially back then. And he does this by telling her how he’s loved and watched her throughout her life. And she’s ecstatic about it. At one point it’s like she’s biting the air. It looks like she wants to kiss him.

Sadly the sister disappears in the last half hour.

The sister is also related to the plot through him, and her dad, and their family. While the barkeep happens to know some other co-conspirators, and some info. It’s very utilitarian. But it seems contrived too.

 His flirting with the barkeep also doesn’t match the tender sentiments expressed with the siblings. And they also seem to love walking closely together. Reminds me of Wanda needing to hold pietro’s arm to walk into a room.

 At one point they’re saying good bye to some guests, and they’re left alone at the house. They move have such an ownership of the house that it’s a very mister and missus, married couple thing.

 In the end he sleeps with the barkeep. But it doesn’t end with them riding into the sunset or reuniting or anything. He just goes back home.

Wow, so interesting! I love it when the sibling ends up being more like the love interest than the actual love interest. And I love it when the seeming love interest ends up not being much of anything at all. 

I can’t thank you enough for writing all of this up! It sounds like a very unique/subverted situation. Wonderful! Thank you!!

So are the showrunners just going to pretend Freya didn’t know exactly what kind of message she was sending when she posed like that, while wearing that, next to her brother? I guess Freya figured that with Rebekah on vacation, she could move in on her man. God I love this show. Mikaelcest is best cest. 

(S3E4, sorry for potato quality screencap)

Family Game Night

I really want to get all the Mikaelsons in a room together and get them to play Fuck-Marry-Kill together with only their family in the pool. I’d imagine it probably go like this-

Klaus: Fuck Freya, Marry Rebekah, Kill Finn

Elijah: Fuck Rebekah, Marry Freya, Kill Kol

Rebekah: Fuck Klaus, Marry Elijah, Kill Finn

Freya: Fuck Elijah, Marry Finn, Kill Klaus

Finn: Fuck Freya, Marry Ester, Kill Klaus

Kol: Fuck Rebekah, Marry Klaus, Kill Mikael

Ester: Fuck Mikael, Marry Finn, Kill Klaus

Mikael: Fuck Ester, Marry Freya, Kill Klaus 

heartsnotalwayscold

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Two sets of tragic twins who deserved so much better.

Too true! 

Petition to stop killing one twin!

just watched homesick. And I honestly the fight was very childish. It could have been played for comedy.

That aside I don’t think henrik was being cold to charlotte. It’s the total opposite. He seemed to get brushed off with charlotte suddenly acting differently(not staying in the shower, and seemingly not reciprocating).

 That aside for everything she did, she immediately tried to make up for it with hugs(perhaps too platonic).

Also charlotte’s problem, one of them anyway, I think was implied she wouldn’t get what other people had of the relationship or be open with it. Look at the wine scene where she, despite no one asking, tells the waitress that they’re husband and wife. And I think her friend having a child and moving on to a new part of her life made her feel like she was stuck. In otherwords she wouldn’t be able to have a child and get married herself. Plus Henrik already had a child and a wife, one scene emphasizes this with her starring at them.

 But I think she got over that by the end. Specifically waiting for him, and she seemed happy to see him, and wasn’t dating anyone despite the length of time.

About the flashbacks during the fight. I almost thought it was the other way around. At first it seemed like she was flashbacking to thoughts of sex during the fight. But I think it was just cut that way and not flashbacks at all. I think it was meant to show that the sex was angry and confused, or their emotions were.

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Thank you so much for sharing your thoughts. It’s so helpful to get another take on anything, but especially a movie where I had a lot of questions, like this one. 

I actually had forgotten that Charlotte got out of the shower. I think I was so hung up on the fight that I sort of forgot what happened right before it. That does explain Henrik’s anger a lot more. 

That’s a really good point about Charlotte’s friend being pregnant. I think you’re right that she was realizing some of the sacrifices she would have to make if she wanted to stay in the relationship and that was a struggle for her and made her pull away a little bit. Great observation about her telling the waitress they were husband and wife, that provides a lot of insight into her being uncomfortable about the relationship in a way that was never stated explicitly.

If they were going for confusion with that sex scene after the fight then they achieved it. I think you’re probably right – it was showing that they were both a mess of emotions, angry and confused. They resolved the fight with sex but weren’t really in the right mindset for that. Nothing had been fixed yet.

Thank you! 

I read the transcription of the play tis a pity she’s a whore.
Much better than the italian movie(though charlotte rampling is gorgeous).

the play focuses more on villifying the main suitor, which the movie seems to justify him. As well as giving them a romantic period. The movie also has giovanni be boring(and then crazy) despite the dialogue. Perhaps that’s the actors or the english dub’s fault but I imagine it’s deliberate.

The play also has the relationship with Philotis and Richardetto(niece and uncle). It’s small but I thought it was sweet.

She has a love interest, bergetto, but she just meets him, and he dies immediately. I don’t think she liked bergetto so much as went along with it. And bergetto talked more about poggio, his servant, as he died.

It’s platonic but It stands out by how genuinely loving it is, and both ultimately being better than most of the other characters. I could see her as admiring him for making a dangerous trip in her time of need. Him taking refuge in her love after his wife cheated and encouraged his dangerous trip in the assumption he’d die.

Him sending her away could be put at the end of the play as if to avoid the fate of incest. The notes mention that the information he seems to have when he makes that decision haven’t been revealed yet, as if the dialogue belonged somewhere else at first(as well as her abrupt exit).

I had no idea the play was so different from the movie! I’m glad to hear that you thought it was better for Annabella and Giovanni’s relationship. That’s good to know. 

I had no idea about Philotis and Richardetto. I really like your interpretation of their relationship. That’s interesting about the part where he sees her away possibly belonging originally to a different part of the play. Intriguing!

Thank you for sharing all of this! I need to reacquaint myself with these characters. (I’ve never read the play.)