Ten years from now, I want a commercial where the siblings in the Duracell Star Wars commercial have another Christmas, with the brother returning from a long trip abroad early in the morning. She greets him at the door, they make instant coffee, and he gives her a present, maybe some new Star Wars stuff, but she takes the bow off the gift and puts it on him. “You’re my present this year.” The epic crossover you never expected to see, but needed to happen!

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(It’s so sad that one of the best asks I have ever gotten requires so much context to be understood in its full glory.)

DURACELL MEETS FOLGERS: the story of two products, two siblings, one bow (and one bed). 

(The Duracell Siblings fandom is growing! We already have an AU/future!fic.)

Au where rey was never lost/abandoned/kidnapped, and ben turns bad anyway, but she wants to save her cousin……*cries*. I think im actually gonna write that bc i love pain.

I have spent A LOT of time thinking about a similar scenario. 

Because how intense are the reunion going to be between them, after he has gone to the dark side and they finally meet again? She was just a little girl when he turned – so none of his anger would be directed at her. She would just be this thing that he loved that he had to sacrifice (give up, I mean, not kill) in order to follow the path he felt compelled to follow. 

And so it’s not like it is with Han or Leia, because of course he still loves them but there’s issues and resentment and blame. But with Rey, there’s none of that. Just uncompromised love. 

And if they had been close like siblings (or an AU where they are siblings), then her love might be unconditional. She would hate what he had become but she wouldn’t be able to just give up on him, especially if, like Leia, she firmly believes there’s still light in him. 

I have two ideas/”scenes” I keep playing out in my mind. The first is where they haven’t seen each other since he left, and it has been years. And neither one of them expects the other to be there, but she catches sight of him. And he’s in full “apparatus” but she knows it’s him (because everyone knows it’s him), and so she’s scared and sad and fascinated all at the same time. But she doesn’t want to take chances and so she doesn’t confront him that time Because she doesn’t know for a fact that he won’t hurt her. She’s pretty certain but there’s still a little doubt. 

And then maybe KR/Ben are in a duel with Luke, and maybe Luke is on the verge of striking a killing blow and Rey intervenes to save Kylo, but then Kylo takes the opportunity to go after Luke, and so Rey puts herself between them. And Kylo doesn’t know what to do because he has no interest in hurting her.

That would all be prior to her having any kind of Force awakening or training. 

If after, I could see her fighting him, saber to saber, just to get a chance to talk to him. 

I have way too many ideas for this. It might become some kind of original novel, because, and actually I think I mentioned this somewhere else on the blog, but I always had this original fiction idea for a story about a brother and sister who have to face off against each other. He’s bent on world domination or whatever and she’s the only one who can get close enough to kill him, either because of special abilities that run in their family or simply because he wouldn’t kill her on sight. And she’s been trained and trained for a long time and everyone, all the hope, is invested in her, and then when the moment comes, she’s right there about to plunge the dagger into him (or whatever), she can’t do it, even though she knows it means that “evil” will win, and that she’s probably also forfeited her own life. He, in turn, can’t do it either even though everyone in his circle has told him that he has to get rid of her because she’s the only real threat against him and his only weakness. <3333

All the stories I’ll never write!

I’m super bummed that I’ve all but entirely convinced myself that Rey was never one of the new Jedi (reasons for that here), because Kylo killing all of the new generation of Jedi (including kids), but not being able to kill his little cousin Rey is – *crying* – so beautiful, with him stashing he away so that she won’t be a threat to him but doesn’t have to die. Kylo sparing the one person should have killed because of the future danger she posed. Kylo even saving her from one of the other Knights of Ren. Gosh, that’s the stuff. 

On another Reylo note, have you seen the Clone Wars series? At the end of the third season there are avatars of the Force, with the Dark Side being “The Son” and the Light Side being “The Daughter”. There are such strong parallels between The Son and Kylo especially. I love the theory of Kylo and Rey as the new avatars of the Force themselves, to bring things back into balance. So even if they’re not real siblings, as far as I’m concerned they’re basically spiritual siblings.

WOW! No, I’ve never seen the The Clone Wars. But that sounds amazing! I don’t want to make any assumptions about how the rest of the trilogy will play out, but Kylo and Rey as opposing dark and light, the main representatives of each, is certainly what came across in TFA and what I hope will continue in VIII. 

(I want Kylo ultimately redeemed but I hope before that happens he’ll get badder and darker.) 

I love the idea of them as spiritual siblings and avatars for light and dark and the “son” and the “daughter”. Just yes yes yes. 

Thank you for sharing this with me! *squeeeeee*

Yeah, I like the idea that Kylo was around 10-12 mainly because it makes his situation more understandable, but also because it creates a parallel with Finn’s backstory, with both of them taken and indoctrinated at a young age. It also fits with Han’s shock, and what’s said about Snoke using Kylo. And with how very lost Kylo is, which creates another parallel with Rey, both of them being lost children.

The parallel with Finn is very interesting. The parallels between those two do not get explored enough. I’m sure we’ll be doing more of that once we’re looking at the complete piece.

And then the lost children parallel with Rey is great too. 

I did get the impression from Leia in the novelization that Snoke had been influencing Kylo since he was a kid, around age 10 or even earlier. 

Yeah, there are a lot of things to like about this theory. 

That’s one thing that has been amazing me about TFA is that I’ve heard/read a billion different theories and I’m surprisingly OK with most of them. As long as Kylo and Rey are both Skywalkers, then the other possible details are all interesting and fun in their own way. 

I was getting it from this post: a-promise-that-i-keep/post/136453292361/ok-so-i-went-through-looking-at-timelines-between (I tried to reconstruct what they had done myself and it does seem to add up. I think Hidalgo may be intentionally spreading misinformation. Considering this is Star Wars, which lives on Shocking Revelations. Imo the details of Kylo’s background may be something they intend as a bigger reveal than Rey’s, but idk)

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Thanks for the link, Anon!

The only thing on that list that I have never heard about is Rey being born the same year as the new Jedi massacre (everything else I have seen in other places).

The OP reblogged and added this here:

so i just want to make it clear that i can’t guarantee that this is 100% bulletproof accurate – the timeline i used put ray’s date of birth in the same timeslot as the jedi massacre, saying “11 years after the battle of Endor”, but that timeslot was only labeled “before the assault on Tuanal”. I had to assume that “11 years after the battle of Endor” applies to both the massacre and Rey’s birth, but it’s possible I was mistaken.

I don’t know anything about “the assault on Tuanal”, so I’m not sure what to think. (My googling didn’t turn up anything, which was really weird.) 

I find it hard to believe that Kylo would have been 10 when he turned on Luke and the other new Jedi. Even if he had been training his entire life and was stronger with the Force than anyone else there (except Luke, presumably), it seems like a bit of a stretch. Would the Knights of Ren have followed a child? (Assuming that all happened then too.) But maybe it would humanize/exculpate Kylo even more – if he was just a kid when he turned to the Dark Side.

It’s possible. It’s definitely possible. 

I think part of the reason I am dubious is because I have spent a lot of time on the Star Wars boards over on reddit with a lot of hardcore fans – people who I know have read the Visual Dictionary and other canon reference books, and I have never seen anyone cite this or refer to this information. (Just Very Lonely Luke using the same 20 year mark.)

It’s possible that Hidalgo is spreading misinformation. There’s certainly debate on reddit over whether to consider his tweets canon (even though he says that they’re not). I’ve been taking them very seriously but I’m no judge. Secrecy has certainly been important to this franchise. 

It’s not perhaps to everyone’s taste, but I always found Orestes’ and Electra’s reunion in Electra to be quite sweet and “shippable,” especially placed in the context of Electra’s despair when she is informed of Orestes’ apparent death.

Set in the city of Argos a few years after the Trojan war, it recounts the tale of Electra and the vengeance that she and her brother Orestes take on their mother Clytemnestra and step father Aegisthus for the murder of their father, Agamemnon.

I haven’t read Electra! But it sounds quite shippable to me!

Another Greek mythology ship, just what I needed! (*adds to a list of thousands*)

@shipcestuousliteroticaproject

ALSO on that theory that Kylo saved Rey – I think that’s actually a vision of the future, because Rey was too young to be there when the Jedi training under Luke were killed. According to the timeline Kylo was around ten-ish when that happened, and there’s around 9-10 years between Kylo and Rey, so if she was there then she would have been a literal infant. I guess they could retcon the timeline, but it seems unlikely?

(Reylo anon again: Oh, oops, I didn’t see that you had linked an article on their ages already, sorry!)

Reylo anon, yet again. Was reading that article, and I’m not sure about the veracity of Hidalgo’s quotes. Unless, you know, they’re going to retcon the timeline, which is entirely possible. With things as they are now, I’m pretty sure Kylo HAD to be in his early teens when the attack occurred, not in his twenties. (I’m sorry for flooding you with asks!).

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Flood away, Anon! I’M OBSESSED. There’s nothing I would rather be doing than talking about these things. 

Well, anything is possible. I don’t think a retcon or outright revision of what’s considered canon is outside of the realm of possibility. Especially if we’re talking about things that weren’t explicitly stated in the movies. And Hidalgo says not to cite his tweets as canon. His tweet about Rey not being at the new Jedi massacre (I can never figure out what to call that event) does not contain information that was in The Visual Dictionary, or any other book officially categorized as canon. So it in particular is up for debate.

But I would imagine, given his official role with the story group, that Hidalgo has read the VIII script. And so he knows not just about what has already happened, but about what’s coming. Personally, I trust that what he has said is the truth as far as he knows it, and he probably knows A LOT.

The only thing Hidalgo’s tweet says definitively is that the massacre was more recent than 14 years ago. If it happened 13 years ago, then Kylo would have been 16/17 (which is personally what I would like to see). However, the tone of his tweet, as much as it is impossible to interpret that, gave me the impression that Hidalgo meant the massacre happened 10 years ago or less. (I saw someone on reddit assuming 8, I’m not sure where they got that number.) I don’t know if you read the whole thread of the tweet, but someone on twitter asked him if Kylo had been a teenager when it happened, because in the novelization Han thinks something about seeing his son for the first time as a man when Kylo removes his mask, and Hidalgo suggested that what Han meant in the novelization was that he could no longer see his little boy in him. So you can see in that discussion how Hidalgo is again reinforcing the idea that Kylo was at least 20 when it happened. It’s all the more interesting because that strikes me as a pretty sketchy interpretation of that passage from the novelization.

So I’m going with Hidalgo and assuming that Kylo was at least 20 when the massacre happened, and that it was at least 3-4 years after Rey was abandoned on Jakku. 

I’d be curious to hear what gave you the impression that the massacre happened 20 years ago? I’ve seen that number on that Very Lonely Luke twitter account, where he keeps saying he’s been there for 20 years. From what I’ve read/seen, there is only Hidalgo’s tweet to go by.

Except if you assume that Rey’s Forceback vision of Kylo and the Knights of Ren is a flashback of the massacre, in which case we can guess based on Kylo’s full grown height that he was at least 16.

I am definitely intrigued by the theory that it’s a vision of the future. Since Rey seems to be involved in the vision instead of just being a witness to it, it does stand out from the others, where we can see Luke or Young!Rey and we can tell who the vision is about. 

But there is such rough transitions from one part of the vision to the next (described in specified detail in the script) – the walls of Bespin/Cloud City becoming the ground on a rainy night, then Rey turning her head and it’s day and she can see her young self, and then the spaceship flying up and blocking out the sun and then it becomes night in the forest. There’s no transition from Rey watching Luke and R2 (night, rainy) in front of the burning temple (called a burning temple in the script) to Rey and Ren and the Knights of Ren (night, rainy). Which makes me feel strongly that it’s all taking place on the same night. My gut tells me it’s the past but I do think there could be more going on there than it first seems.

I just don’t know. I wish I could just call up JJ Abrams and Rian Johnson and Pablo Hidalgo too and assault them with questions. 

THANK THE GODS YOU GUYS ARE POSTING REYLO. I need somebody to talk about my (sadly unlikely to be canon) theory that Kylo is secretly Luke and Leia’s child, with that being the real reason why he refuses to acknowledge Han as his dad. Which, if Rey is also Luke’s kid, would make them half-siblings as well as cousins. I feel so messed up for this AND YET, they did have Luke/Leia in canon??

The Reylo shippers are all “not incest until proved canon” and I’m all “incest baby until canon makes that 100% impossible” (which, Force be with us, will never happen – never underestimate the power of headcanoning abilities, they are formidable). 

I get such a rush imagining either Rey or Kylo as Leia’s baby with Luke. Rey makes sense because it would explain why she’s so strong with the Force and perhaps also why her origins are such a secret. But the real drama comes with Kylo because of the Kylo/Luke history – apprentice turning on his master, destroying everything, resetting the progress of the entire galaxy, etc., 

And that is a really intriguing theory about the Kylo/Han relationship. I could see Kylo looking up to Han his entire life and then having this crisis of identity once he learned the truth. The only major stumbling block I see is that if the name “Kylo” comes from Skywalker+Solo, why would Kylo give himself a name with “Solo” in it if he knew he wasn’t a Solo. You would think that most of his issues would be with Luke and not Han, unless he blamed Han for Leia not being faithful to him. 

Both ideas are so RICH.

I’m 100% certain the canon would never go there, but as long as I’ve got some leeway to fanwank it I’ll be happy. 

Luke/Leia was canon. May we never forget it. 

PLS JUST GIVE ME LUKE/LEIA INCEST BABY. And REYLO INCEST. GIVE ME ALL THE THINGS.

My mom loves romance royalty movies,I realized some of her favs involve first cousins marriages: The young Victoria (2009- Victoria+Albert), Sissi the young empress( 1956 Elizabeth of Austria+ Franz Joseph),¿Dónde vas Alfonso XII? (1958- Alfonso XII of Spain+ Mª de las Mercedes), Isabel (TV show 2013 Isabel+Fernando).I pictured myself telling her that most americans would think she enjoys watching incest movies. My poor mom would look at me utterly shocked,lol.

You’re Mom would be right to be shocked!

Wow, that’s quite a collection! Thank you for sharing those titles with us! So many! Awesome.

*petition for everyone to stop being so silly about cousins*

Do you consider Cathrine and Heathcliff as an incest couple? Yes/No why?

Hi, Anon!

I do not consider Catherine and Heathcliff to be incest. It’s an incestuous situation, I will certainly say that. But given how old Heathcliff was when he joined the family, I compare it more to a foster or step-sibling relationship, which doesn’t fall under my personal somewhat strict categorization of incest for this blog. 

If the adoption happened after the age of 5 I don’t consider it incest. This is a pretty hard and fast rule for me. On some level it’s an arbitrary number but it is based on psychology and psychological studies. I’m not as interested in adoptive situations which is why I’m a stickler about what I count and what I don’t count.